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Well, here we go again. I continue to look for the holy Grail of an application that will integrate Lightroom with my WordPress blog. I gave up on TTG because the process was too complicated for a simple end user such as myself and the documentation was abstruse. Now we have backlight. I kind of have to take your word that it is can do work, as there is no demo version. Even with the (hugely complicated) discount scheme, I'm going to have to fork out quite a lot of cash to see if it works. So I will probably hang fire and see what others say as I have already donated to your company for somethng that I couldn't get to work.
I know it is early days but documentation seems to be something that is an afterthought. For instance, The instructions for setting up Backlight include this memorable phrase:
Make the /backlight/data and /galleries directories writable (777 or 755, depending on server).
Now I am perfectly sure that this makes sense to a web developer but as far as an end user goes it's roughly similar to saying 'step one for building interstellar rocket - go to university and to obtain a degree in astrophysics'. It kind of leaves out a bit of detail
You have a post entitled 'speak to me like I am a 10-year-old'. I suspect 10-year-olds are two technically adept, with their flexible and intuitive minds. I really, really hope that your program cuts the mustard and that you are able to provide some sort of demo/test version, so that individuals like me can see whether to invest. Can I humbly suggest (again) that you sit down with someone who is computer illiterate and teach them how to use the program without you touching the keyboard, noting what you have to tell them to get them to do it.
Best wishes
Rob,
I stand corrected. The main thrust of my long-winded post was about the user experience and documentation. Try the experiment with someone who knows lightroon but not TTG. I've done it in other settings and it is transformational. Sorry if I have come across as anything other than slightly frustrated.
Dear Matthew and Rod,
Thank you for replying. Rob, your overview is excellent and clarified a lot of things on my mind. Matthew, I think you live in a different planet to me.
I bought TTG on the basis of recommendations from luminaries such as Victoria Bampton. I have a son who designs – amongst other things – websites but who is up to his eyeballs in various projects, lives away, and really does not have the time to sort me out, although bless him, he tries.
He and I had long and animated discussions about how I would like my galleries, with me advocating (from a very theoretical standpoint) how advantageous it would be to be able to manage my galleries directly from Lightroom using your program. He was, I am sorry to say, very dismissive. I have had to subsequently ring him up, apologise and agree with his professional assessment.
Why? well. after a few days away working I cleared my desk and sat down to get to grips with TTG, having previously bought publisher, galleries and auto index.
At this stage, I should probably step back and explain my provenance. This may make my subsequent comments more or less palatable. In my career as a surgeon I have invented devices, patented them and acted as an adviser to several multinational companies that produce medical devices. From the earliest days, one of my main themes has been ergonomics.
Sadly, your product not very easy to use. For instance, I spent a couple of hours trying to fathom setting up a gallery, dipping to and fro between the programs and the documentation. Nowhere did it clearly tell me that I'd then had to create a template and save that. Nowhere was there an obvious button. I did 'some tinkering ' but of course lost all the stuff I had done.
Do not console yourself with the thought that I am an idiot and simply did not see it. I am an idiot. The fact that i am spending the time to try and communicate proves it. But the process is deeply flawed and this is but one of many criticisms that I could make, having spent a day trying to get somewhere. Your advice that all you need to make the program work is time, some tinkering about and reading the instructions is inappropriate in this day and age, ignoring the fact that the need for 'tinkering' simply shows it does not work out of the box and that the program is probably the preserve of those who can write code. To make light of the amount of effort needed to make this program work has probably produced a lot of dissatisfied customers over the years.
Some years ago, while working in a very dysfunctional organisation, I coined the term kludges. Often there is a simple and effective solution to a problem but it is either too expensive, requires reorganisation or seems just too difficult. So, instead of implementing the obvious solution a workaround is implemented. At later stages a couple of more workarounds are introduced on the back of the first kludge, such that getting from A to B now involves going to C D and E, and so on. Kind of what happened with Photoshop, such that they went back to the drawing board to produce Lightroom (now getting bigger and more complex every day).
An example of a TTG Kludge: In my search for information I read the section explaining what was new and came across your workaround for previewing a gallery on different devices. Boy, I have seldom seen less elegant workaround. What the end user wants is to be able to click a button that shows the display in the different formats. With dozens of workarounds like this, the documentation becomes so complex as to be unusable.
Can I suggest that you find somebody who uses Lightroom, sit them down in a room and ask them to use your programs. Don't teach them, just let them start using the program and see how far they get. Then let them try the documentation to answer their questions. Watch them get lost or become trapped in redundant hyperlinks (or even navigate to pages that don't exist). Absolutely resist the temptation to show them how it is done. Instead, take notes and work out what you need to tell them, when you need to tell them and then write it down. Repeat until cooked. Expect pain.
Rod Barbee's site does a much clearer job of explaining things but is outdated and not an instruction manual.
In summary, I am in two minds. I can put in the hours needed to set up TTG or I can establish a workflow that exports my images from LR in a format that suits whichever gallery I use. I offer these comments constructively. I think that you need to start by re-doing the documentation. With so many apps out there these days, the defining factor is often the documentation.
Steve
Hi,
I am a semi-retired surgeon with an abiding interest in photography. Some years age one of my sons created a website for me, but the gallery function was via a flash-based outfit (Slideshow Pro) They have folded and I am taking the opportunity to revamp my site. Or, at least, I was.
For many reasons, none of them good, my source of support and advice has disappeared and I am out on a limb, trying to figure out a web design essentially from scratch. Avada, Headway and Jupiter have all been proposed as good engines for me. Avada has poor documentation. Headway was what my existing site was built with (wwwcoppinger.co.uk) and Jupiter looks good, mainly because the documentation seems sensible.
I have looked at The Turning Gate in the past, never really understanding what it was about but it is enthused about by luminaries such as Victoria Bampton, so I bought what I thought I needed from your site, rather impulsively.
But, I have no idea how to integrate or link between LR and my new website. I want a gallery page and I want - like Slideshow Pro Direct Pro did for me - to just upload pictures and for them to appear on the page. I'm sure that somewhere in your documentation is the answer but not at a level that starts me off.
Over my career I have noted that when one starts a new discipline one simply does not know what are the correct questions to ask and I am clearly at this stage. Maybe I am too (CSS) illiterate to be contemplating this - if so, tell me. But I suspect there needs to be a clear and easily findable link in your documentation to answer the question: I have now installed TTG into LR. Great documentation and looks really good. But how to I get the shiny new gallery onto a page in Wordpress? And which plugins does it work with (or does it even need a plugin)?
I know these are simple and basic questions but I need simple and basic answers? There are pages that probably do explain this but they assume a level of knowledge that is slightly too high and immediately dive into detail. The quality of the documentation and support seems to be a major factor in the success or failure of many web applications these days, so I do not think my comments are unreasonable (and offered in a spirit of constructive criticism). Otherwise, what is the use of a great LR plugin that doesn't seem to complete. The quarterback has thrown the touchdown pass. Where is the receiver?
Yours plaintively and in deep confusion,
Steve
PS I'm also going to post this on your forums. Again, the forms are deep with no sticky posts for common questions and asking simple questions does not seem to get me anywhere.
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